Rohane decided to put Mipsy to the test using a complicated maths problem he learned from a wise old sage on some adventure somewhere, he forgets exactly.

"Twelve plus twelve plus twelve plus twelve plus twelve plus thirty equals ninety," he said. "But it also equals another number. If you can tell me that number, you can skip cleaning duty tonight." Mipsy HATED cleaning duty! I mean, really, who likes cleaning duty?

She's clever, though, and was on to his game. She came up with the following forumla and knew she was on the right track:

**So, what number gets Mipsy out of cleaning duty?Enter just the number, without punctuation, or your answer will be marked wrong!**

What did you get, LennyC SolveR?

ReplyDeleteTook me a wee bit but I got there. Hope I did it quickly enough *fingers crossed*

ReplyDeleteOk, I have absolutly no clue about this...

ReplyDeletewhats the answer you got?

ReplyDeleteDo we have to count the number of letters in the ""Twelve plus twelve plus twelve plus twelve plus twelve plus thirty" ?

ReplyDeleteLOL I absolutely have no idea, that would be too easy I guess...

If you got it, care to share the answer ?

ReplyDeleteIf you got it, care to share the answer ?

ReplyDelete---

Yeah that would be pretty cool...

Somone told me to just stare at it for a whle and i'd get it. e_o

ReplyDeleteoh yah Anonymous comment 2 posting here w/o providing the answer... learn the internet.

ReplyDeletelol

ReplyDelete*facepalm* nice try troll

ReplyDeleteholy crap it's the answer to the Wishing Well Avatar :o

ReplyDeleteI don't know the answer to the puzzle... but dude I got the ww avatar.

ReplyDeleteSo like :DDDDDDDDDD !!!!!!!

How did you guys get the WW avvie?

ReplyDeleteYeah of course we believe you...

ReplyDeletePost is on the AC with screenie, THEN, we'll know if it's true.

Anything to do with roman numerals?

ReplyDeleteTell us the number that you entered and post a screenie with the avatar.

ReplyDeleteThe answer is 42.

ReplyDeletetroll ^

ReplyDeleteguys if ur gonna post an answer at LEAST show the work

ReplyDelete7*6=42 but that's too easy :S

ReplyDeletehow did u get those numbers?

ReplyDelete^ dude its 6 by 6

ReplyDeleteL = 50

ReplyDeleteV = 5

I = 1

Or am I way off the mark?

columns by rows based on the equation mipsy wrote

ReplyDeletecould the answer be

ReplyDelete1+2+1+2+1+2+1+2+1+2+3+0=18

That involves no punctuation.

ReplyDelete12+12+12+12+12+30/90? lol

ReplyDeletethis isnt a reliable source anymore. I hate it. I quit.

ReplyDelete^ this

ReplyDeleteYou said it

ReplyDeleteAgreed.

ReplyDeleteso um i put 102 because if you see there is 6 12's... lol one going diagonal

ReplyDeleteso um i put 102 because if you see there is 6 12's... lol one going diagonal

ReplyDelete--

TWELVY?

Oh I see it now. Left to right from the T in Thirty

ReplyDelete^ yes.

ReplyDelete39?

ReplyDeleteI'm just guessing now.

^ That sounds like an evil bitch thing TNT would do.

ReplyDeleteAlternatively, they can not be bitchy and accept my answer.

up two sorry**

ReplyDeletethe answers twelve?

ReplyDeleteCould it be 121212121230? Kinda obvious, but just a possibility. And it would require them to tell us not to include punctuation. 121,212,121,230

ReplyDeleteguys think. if it keeps the 6 letter pattern then it could be eleven, or twenty. idk what to do. 12*12*12*12*12*30=7464960 or something like that XD

ReplyDeleteThe answer is 15.

ReplyDeleteAdd all of the numbers up including 90. You should have 180. Then you can see the diagonal twelve (t in thirty) and the diagonal in Math means to divide. 180/12 = 15. nuffsed

But in math, the diagonal wouldn't be the actual number 12, it would just be a line. You don't see a number ever written diagonally. And why would you need to add up 90?

ReplyDeleteits wrong for me....

ReplyDeleteif you use 0-9 numbers,

5e+y=y so, e can be 2,4,6,8

if its 2, your answer is 10, 4 is 20, 6 is 30 and 8 is 40

so to the formula:

5v+t=t you have to add (1,2,3 or 4)

5v+t+(1,2,3 or 4)=t so

5v+(1,2,3 or 4)=0 (i canceled the t)

5*1= 5 (if you add 1 or 2 or 3 or 4) you dont get 0

5*2 10 (if you add 1 or 2 or 3 or 4) you dont get 0

you can do this with all the numbers but you wont get a number from 0-9 that multiplied by 5 and added (1,2,3 or 4) is equal to a 0 multiple

Or is wrong or the numbers are not from 0-9

the answer is 1

ReplyDeleteadd up all the numbers except 90 and u get 90/90 which =1

Can you use the letter to spell different "number" words? I see ELEVEN, but I don't know what to do with the left over I.

ReplyDeleteThis comment has been removed by the author.

ReplyDeleteEach letter equals a different number. What numbers do the letters NINETY represent?

ReplyDeleteI think it is simple: 12

ReplyDeleteBecause All of words create Twelve diagonally. *shrug* I don't know how close it is... but that is my guess this week.

OHHH YEAHHH i feel like freddie mercury in front of juestin biever!! i know the answer!!! neomail me crum_royal, i just got it with a litle bit of brain and programation, if you want to get the answer here can you have some help

ReplyDelete#include

#include

using namespace std;

int main(int argc, char *argv[])

{

int a=0,b=0,c=0,d=0,e=0,f=0,g=0,h=0;

for(a=0;a<10;a++){

for(b=0;b<10;b++){

for(c=0;c<10;c++){

for(d=0;d<10;d++){

for(e=0;e<10;e++){

for(f=0;f<10;f++){

for(g=0;g<10;g++){

if(600000+a*50000+b*500+c*50+d*10000+e*1000+f*100 == g*101000+e*10000 && a!=b && a!=c && a!=d && a!=e && a!=f && a!=g && b!=c && b!=d && b!=e && b!=f && b!=g && c!=d && c!=e && c!=f && c!=g && d!=e && a!=1 && b!=1 && c!=1 && d!=1 && e!=1 && f!=1 && g!=1 ){

std::cout << a << " " << b <<" "<< c << " " << d << " " << e << " " << f << " " << g << std::endl;

}

}

}

}

}

}

}

}

return 0;

}

assuming T=1 E=0, and variables a=W,b=L,c=V,d=H,e=I,f=R,g=N

:D

twelve... since there is a diagonal twelve and that seems important somehow

ReplyDeleteI think its 1

ReplyDelete90/90

I don't know though. Meh.

Actually, that's just coincidence. xD

ReplyDeletebrian, why did you use namespace std, but yet you still used std::cout?

ReplyDeleteAMATEUR C++ PROGRAMMER LOL

well, i will give you guys a hint

ReplyDelete1 W 0 L V 0

1 H I R T Y

-----------

N I N 0 T Y

neomail me crum_royal, i know the answer

...Brian, that's completely wrong. -______-

ReplyDeleteyes, it was

ReplyDelete1 W 0 L V 0

1 H I R 1 Y

-----------

N I N 0 1 Y

sorry

the thing is if we change every letter with a number from 0 to 9 without repeating, there is a specific combination that gives you the answer,

ReplyDeletebrian

But it also equals another number. If you can tell me that number, you can skip cleaning duty tonight.

ReplyDeleteIt's the diagonal twelve. No math.

finally got the answer through algebra and my calculator. If it wasn't already clear, N can only be 7, 8 or 9.

ReplyDeletewell, N is 8

ReplyDelete1 W 0 L V 0

ReplyDelete1 H I R 1 Y

-----------

8 I 8 0 1 Y

@brian i actually got a different answer. my N is 7 and I used all numbers and did not repeat.

ReplyDeletehere is the program result

ReplyDeletehttp://codepad.org/VqMQi0LY

argh i entered in the wrong number for I, my mistake. i read the wrong number in the calculator!!

ReplyDeleteso it is with 7 or 8 ?? i verified my answer 3 times XD

ReplyDeleteAll of you guys SUCK MY DICK !!! Fucking nerds - the answer is clearly 1 !

ReplyDeletelol youre a fucking stupid angry idiot

ReplyDeleteit should be 8. i misread one 0 on my calculator.

ReplyDeleteYou know you want my semen streaming down your chin Brian...

ReplyDeleteAhh, sorry Brian. You're right. Got a bit confused up there... =P

ReplyDeleteor do you swallow ???

ReplyDeleteHow can N = 8 when there are 6 "T's" stacked on top of it and you said T = 1? What am I missing?

ReplyDeleteYou've got the wrong approach. Each letter represents a single digit; the formation/"stacking" has nothing to do with it.

ReplyDeletemy Y is 5. anyone else get that?

ReplyDelete6 T twelve

ReplyDelete6012

848015

ReplyDeleteI've got what E, T, N and I equal, but how do you isolate Y??? The only thing you can deduct is that Y = Y, right?

ReplyDeleteFigure out the other 9 letters. Y is what is left.

ReplyDeleteIt is clearly 120.

ReplyDeleteYou guys are over-thinking.

ReplyDeleteThe answer is 12

Twelve plus twelve plus twelve plus twelve plus twelve plus thirty equals ninety in NUMBER form

ReplyDeleteBut they CLEARLY spelled out the words (to create a diagonal TWELVE - left to right)

And it takes all 5 twelves and 1 thirty (the words) to make a diagonal TWELVE.

Therefore, it's a trick question.

The Y was there to throw you off. If you look the other way, it still spells Twelve across the board diagonally.

ReplyDeleteMy two cents. Ya'll are waaay overthinking. Sometimes trick questions are the ones that make you feel the stupidest.

Really, overthinking?

ReplyDeleteThis is a classic style problem where the 10 letters correspond to the 10 different digits. The task is to figure out which letter stands for each digit so as to make the math problem true when you substitute the digits for the letters.

Now, it took me close to an hour to solve it, but the structure of the problem was obvious at first glance.

I do not get this at all. someone explain? My user is babygirlclo

ReplyDeleteBut it might not even have to BE math. Hence why it COULD be a trick question - not saying it is. They used numbers in the actual equation but then switched to letters and lined them up specifically to spell out the word Twelve.

ReplyDeleteThose four twelves, and one ninety, equalled (spelled out, twelve)

It didn't say it had to be a math problem. The original number problem was math but then it switched to a cleverly designed word problem - which, like I said, could be a trick question considering those six NUMBERS added together add up to a NUMBER but when they switch it to a word problem, it might not even be a number at all but a riddle.

Don't insult my intelligence. You can try to pull numbers out of thin air and give every letter a 0-10 corresponding number but, I am simply saying that you never know with these things.

I took three years of pre-cal. I need no help doing the math problem, I am just reading between the lines.

Pre-cal and calculus, I mean*

ReplyDelete*Those four twelves, and one thirty

ReplyDeleteLordy, this has got my brain confused so much that I can't type straight.

All in all, I'm saying that yes, it could be a math problem

OR

It could be a riddle. It looks/sounds like a riddle.

So I'mma go with that.

12.

12

ReplyDeleteI went with twelve also.

ReplyDelete848015

ReplyDeleteT=1

W=3

E=0

L=7

V=6

R=2

N=8

I=4

Y=5

H=9

I dont understand how you got that.

ReplyDeletei understand how you got

ReplyDelete848015

T=1

W=3

E=0

L=7

V=6

R=2

N=8

I=4

Y=5

H=9

but that requires you to assume e=0 to determine the rest. doesnt it?

e could also be 2,4,6,8

I think it's SEVENTY because there are Seven T's

ReplyDeleteJust my opinion

this website sucks now :( all the good people never post ( for example Dusk and THE ACTUAL OWNER of this stupid blog :( Im soo deleting this out of my toolbar >:(

ReplyDelete102 because there is another 12 going from bottom left to top right diagonally. 6x12+30= 102

ReplyDelete36 is the answer according to TNT so believe me or not because I bothered to check the URL when it said true after I submitted my answer.

ReplyDelete36 is the answer according to TNT so believe me or not because I bothered to check the URL when it said true after I submitted my answer.

ReplyDeleteDumbass that just means it was sent.

The answer is 102.

Dumbass sucks dicks !!!

ReplyDeletethe number's gotta be over 1000 as TNT says

ReplyDeleteEnter just the number, without punctuation

for example 1000 - not 1,000 or 1.000

or maybe I'm wrong...

Easy 102 look at it this way

ReplyDeleteTWELVE

+ TWELVE

+ TWELVE

+ TWELVE

+ TWELVE

+ THIRTY = 90

But if you look there is a diagonal twelve(t from thirty to e from the first twelve)which makes it 102 =)

http://bach.istc.kobe-u.ac.jp/cgi-bin/crypt.cgi?crypt=twelve%2Btwelve%2Btwelve%2Btwelve%2Btwelve%2Bthirty%3Dninety&crypt1=llp%2Blinear%2Blogic%3Dprolog

ReplyDeleteAlphametic puzzles aren't a Neopian invention, people. Google knows all.

HAHAHAHA I GOT IT. YOU GUYS DONT KNOW THE RIGHT TECHNIQUE. I DO. SO HA

ReplyDeletePff, I can't choose... I'm almost sure it's 102, but the whole 'no punctuation' thing trows me off. Because that would point to the 848015 answer.

ReplyDeleteAnd the thing that also worries me about the answer 102 is: why would they put the ninety in the formula?

--Annebeth--

i am soooo confused how do you get all this numbers what about matching numbers with letters adding it like this A=1 B=2 ?

ReplyDeletelooks like I'm going to be the only one who gets the LC prize this week because the answer is so oblivious that you'd have to be to arrogant to get it p.s. only posted one other comment

ReplyDeleteits 102 because its 90 PLUS the diagonal extra 12

ReplyDeleteHere's the reasoning for why E=0.

ReplyDeleteLet each letter represent an integer from 0 to 9.

Assume E =/= 0. Now, consider 5E+Y = 10a+Y for some a (a is the number that is "carried" to the next column). 5E = 10a => E=2a => E is even, and E=/=0, so E=2,4,6, or 8. Also, 5E=10, 20, 30, or 40, so a cannot be 0. Now, 5V+T+a = 10b+T for some b. 5V+a = 10b. However, 5V + (1, 2, 3, or 4) cannot equal 10b for any integers. Therefore, a must be a multiple of 5 (0 or 5). Since E=2a, and E is between 0 and 9, E=0 because E=/= 10.

I had a bit of faulty proof method, so here's errata:

ReplyDeleteAssume E is an integer between 0 and 9, instead of E=/=0.

Change "E is even, and E=/=0...a cannot be 0" -> E is even, so E=2k for some integer k, so E can only be 0, 2, 4, 6, or 8.

"5V + (1, 2, 3, or 4)" -> 5V+a = 10b => a=10b-5V=5(2b-V), so a is a multiple of 5. The only a that is a multiple of 5 that fulfills a=0,1,2,3,4 is 0. Therefore, a=0.

If a is 0, then 5E + Y < 10. The only E that fits this criteria is 0, so E=0.

ReplyDeleteJust using logic and arithmetic, you can solve this problem. Apparently a lot of people who visit this site to look for answers just go "blah blah blah what am I saying I will talk for talking's sake"

ReplyDeleteSomeone was wondering about the why is E=0 and not 2,4 or so.

ReplyDeleteIt has to be 0 because:

5E+Y=Y

Only 0 works to make that one true, right? Right. : )

T is probably the easiest to solve next:

ReplyDelete6T + d (number "carried from previous column) = N.

Since E=0, T>=1. If N is a single digit nonnegative number, then N < 10, and if T>=2, N>=10, so T can only be 1.

To the comment two places above, you are forgetting that Y is only the ones digit of 5E+Y, read my proof above.

ReplyDeleteAnswer is 848015

ReplyDeleteTwelve is 130760

Thirty is 194215

The puzzle is about The Doubly-True Genre ... Check it out XD

did you all add the twelve 5 times,

ReplyDeletei know you got t as 1 ect, but then you'd still need to add all of the twelves ie the problem would become 130760 plus 130760 plus 130760 ect

I think it would be 1 because you add 12+12+12+12+12+30=90. Then it has a line over the 90. 90/90=1

ReplyDeleteThe answer is definitely not 848015,

ReplyDeletefor using the same system, 848010 to 848019 should all work

Oh never mind, 848015 is the answer... I didn't know that the digits can't repeat.

ReplyDeleteI'm going with 12.

ReplyDeleteBecause I don't think they'd post a calculus level question on a website that is supposed to be for elementary school children.

Just saying, these things are usually riddles.

I said 12 too. It's a riddle, not an equation.

ReplyDeleteThe words

Twelve

Twelve

Twelve

Twelve

Thirty

Add up to what? A a diagonol Twelve going bottom left to top right. Hence, why they made it a word problem and lined it up as such.

I posted this before and I'll do it again. Ya'll are overthinking and obviously have never heard of a riddle.

Oops, meant to put another Twelve in there

ReplyDeleteDo the maths guys, it's the only foolproof way. It has been worked out already, just use algebra and trial and error! You really do not need calculus, just some adding skills and great patience. If there is an answer in the mathematical approach then it is correct! It can't be that coincidental.

ReplyDeleteThis question is a good one, it is challenging for once. But I wish people didn't post the answers up so soon. At least give others a day to work it out themselves. Some people from the other side of the globe have to go to school when TNT posts a new conundrum :(

What's wrong with you guys. STOP ASSIGNING USELESS NUMBERS FROM 0-9 TO THESE LETTERS. if that's the case it could be ANYTHING.

ReplyDeleteDoes anyone even think for a second instead of 10 numbers, each letter could be associated with it's place in the alphabet? For example: e=5

ReplyDeletel=12 and so on. then add them down the columns and carry when necessary.

If the answer was the twelve that goes diagonally up the side, they could have used any six letter number that starts with T, not just thirty. (eg twelve, twenty)

ReplyDeleteGuys? It's not a calculus level question. It's actually extremely simple, when you get down to it; just takes a while to figure out. The guys before me have the right idea--if anything, everyone else is "under"-thinking.

ReplyDeleteAnd no, it's not a riddle. Time to whip out the pencils/erasers and do some

ReplyDeletelogical. thinking---not abstract thinking!who said riddles can't be mathematical? :)

ReplyDeleteI solved it using variables. Got an answer.

ReplyDeletehey someone check out my blog at www.maroonunicorn.blogspot.com and leave a comment

ReplyDeleteThe puzzle is about The Doubly-True Genre, as stated above me. But, they forgot to take into consideration that there is another TWELVE stretching from the bottom left to top right. Which would add 130760 to their original answer of 848015, making the actual answer 978775.

ReplyDeleteThanks! It was easy enough to deteremine E=0, if only because any other answer for 5E+Y=Y ruined the next column. I was going the wrong way on N, though.

ReplyDeletewouldn't it be 12+12+12+12+12+20 divided by 90? so 1.

ReplyDeleteI think people are thinking way too much into this, I put 12 for the diagonal 12

ReplyDeleteI doubt the answer could be 1 as the use of words rather than numbers indicates it is not simply 12+12+12+12+12+30/90.

ReplyDeleteI agree with the answer being simply 12 because of the diagonal 12 (however, this theory hardly makes sense but I have no other suggestions :P )

LOOK EVERYONE answer ish 42 :D!!!!!

ReplyDeleteThe Anonymous comment from 30 October 2011 13:46 just made me smack my forehead. Do'h!! Considering TNT just loves to mess with us, I wouldn't be surprised.

ReplyDeleteBut wait, actually, I would be. those who say we're "overthinking" it should take a better look at the image they provided. They specifically spaced out the columns between letters. Why not keep it closer together if they just wanted you to figure out there's another 12 in there? They didn't give us the letters to point at the additional tweleve, they gave us the letters as a visual hint for how to SOLVE the problem.

"What's wrong with you guys. STOP ASSIGNING USELESS NUMBERS FROM 0-9 TO THESE LETTERS. if that's the case it could be ANYTHING."

A) Numbers aren't useless

B) It couldn't be anything, there's only one correct solution if solved in this manner

C) Obvious troll is obvious

I've done this kind of puzzle before, but I forgot how to solve it... I think its 36, since there are thirty-six letters not including ninety

ReplyDeleteWell, I have to agree that assigning numbers to letters for this one is useless. It's plain up stupid. As if tnt is gonna make the question that friggin difficult. Overthinking? Definitely.

ReplyDeleteI got 30. There's 5x6(letters in each word) = 30. Sounds reasonable enough seeing as it was deliberately printed out in letters. Could be 6 though if 90 has something to do with it.

ReplyDeleteI missed a whole word -_-. Fail.

ReplyDeleteIt was 848015, I solved it and got a prize :)

ReplyDelete^ Grats!!

ReplyDeleteYup, 848015. All those people saying TNT wouldn't make it so hard should check out past conundrums. They do it regularly.

ReplyDelete"Overthinking? Definitely."

ReplyDelete...lol. Please stop under-thinking next time. xD

How was it 848015 though?

ReplyDeleteIt's a bit complicated to explain here, but through a series of logical steps, you can get the answer. For example, the most obvious value to solve is the T. Since it has the greatest value in the hundred-thousands place, you can easily determine that T=1 because any greater number would make the value of NINETY a seven digit number instead of a six digit number.

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