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Wednesday, July 06, 2011

Lenny Conundrum - Round #410

Suppose you only have 10 Neopoints, but you really want a Portable Kiln. How many tosses in "Double or Nothing" must you win in order to be able to afford a Portable Kiln in the Hidden Tower?

Answer : 20
Check comments to arrive at your own conclusion. Seems to be either 19 or 20. 20 seems to be more logical.
Posted by LennyC Solver at 14:53

84 comments :

  1. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 14:54

    ANSWER IS 19!

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  2. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 14:54

    19.

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  3. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 14:55

    Easy this week. 19.

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  4. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 14:56

    ANSWER IS 20!

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  5. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 14:56

    Possibly the easiest LC in a looooong time. But yeh totaly 19

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  6. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 14:56

    20?

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  7. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 14:56

    Got the same answer. 19. See you same time next week!

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  8. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 14:57

    some people on the boards are talking about a flip limit

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  9. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 14:57

    Its 20, the first win is 10 np

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  10. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 14:57

    Yeah it's 19.

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  11. LennyC Solver6 July 2011 at 14:57

    Guys have to relax and think. Look above at how many people got the answer. The conundrum isn't that easy.

    Isn't there a limit of how many times you can toss the coin? Like 15?

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  12. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 14:57

    Everyone in my guild's got the same answer. All over the neoboards too. Answer is 19!

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  13. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 14:58

    It's 19; I know the first win is 10np.

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  14. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 14:58

    I got 22 because I thought it was 13 million. x___x
    omggggggggggg.

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  15. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 14:58

    19 or 20?

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  16. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 14:59

    NINETEEN.
    Final answer.

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  17. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 14:59

    Portable Kiln is 3.4 mil at roll 19 you are at 2.6mil you need to roll one more time to get 5.2mil to buy it .

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  18. LennyC Solver6 July 2011 at 14:59

    http://www.jellyneo.net/?go=doubleornothing

    15 163,840
    That's the max the game can go.
    So it's not 19 or 20.

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  19. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:00

    Where does it say there's a limit of 15 flips? Has anyone EVER got that many flips? I put 19 as my answer.

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  20. LennyC Solver6 July 2011 at 15:02

    19 or 20 seems to be too easy no?
    It doesn't state that, but most of the help site's tables stop at 15.

    Does anyone have like a screenshot of someone winning more.

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  21. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:03

    the highest score ever has been 163,840 but I don't see anywhere that it is a limit...

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  22. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:04

    It does seem too easy, and I'm not saying you're wrong, but based on the guide you referenced, there is nothing saying that it stops at 15 - they have to stop somewhere and maybe they just chose not to put "..."

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  23. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:04

    http://www.fgn-guild.com/games/game_178.php

    Here's a game guide that goes to 16 wins, so just because the table stops doesn't mean the winnings do. I say 20

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  24. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:04

    There is NO flip limit! a friend of mine got 16 once

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  25. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:05

    20!

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  26. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:05

    i dont think ive seen someone actually make it to 15 before tbh considering the odds of getting to 15 flips is incredibly small

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  27. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:05

    It is 20
    Flips winnings

    1 = 10
    2 = 20
    3 = 40
    4 = 80
    5 = 160
    6 = 320
    7 = 640
    8 = 1280
    9 = 2560
    10 = 5120
    11 = 10240
    12 = 20480
    13 = 40960
    14 = 81920
    15 = 163840
    16 = 327680
    17 = 655360
    18 = 1310720
    19 = 2621400
    20 = 5242800

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  28. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:06

    Chance of someone getting 15 correct flips is 1/32768 (according to JN). Very little chance of a player wanting to risk a trophy and their winnings to get that far into a single game. Look at the high-score table.

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  29. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:07

    Answer is 19.

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  30. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:08

    you start with 10 it doesnt count as a flip answer is 19

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  31. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:08

    first win is 10np

    so my answer is 20

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  32. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:08

    it's 20..

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  33. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:09

    How is everyone getting 19? The only way to get 19 instead of 20 is to assume you get to collect your winnings after each turn, which you don't, all the money goes into a pot until you either lose or collect it, thus the table above is correct and the answer is 20

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  34. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:09

    you start with 10 but your first win rewards you 10np

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  35. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:09

    So 15 one game/day then more the next and add those? The page doesn't state anything about a limit. Ithink TNT is just "removing" the limit status on the game and you can continue to 19....or 20 as some others seem to get.

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  36. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:09

    Go play the game if you get the first toss right you get this message

    So you think it's fine to rob a poor old Skeith?
    Congratulations! You have won 10 NP so far...

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  37. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:10

    If it's 3.4 million, then 19 is not enough. 20 may be way over the price, but you can afford it then.

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  38. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:10

    but the first flip, it takes your 10NP and puts it in a pot, if you win the flip, the 10NP stays in the pot, if you lose, you lose your 10 NP, thus you have to go to flip 20

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  39. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:11

    There is ---NO--- limit

    So it's 20!

    The first flip is 10 so 19+ that one = 20

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  40. Karl6 July 2011 at 15:11

    Nothing I read said anything about a limit. It seems like this is an easy one, but with all easy Lenny Conundrums comes the controversy and debate.

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  41. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:11

    I said 19 before, but I was adding all the winnings together. Since that is wrong, I'm pretty sure it's 20, assuming there aren't any tricks. Too bad I already put in 19. :(

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  42. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:12

    ANSWER IS 19! *lol*

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  43. LennyC Solver6 July 2011 at 15:12

    Mmkay, your right about no limit.
    Now it's the matter of fact whether it's 19 or 20.

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  44. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:13

    LennyC play double or nothing once you win the first round you will see the table above is correct and its 20

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  45. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:13

    what is mystery pic answer

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  46. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:14

    We'll see next week i guess.

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  47. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:14

    well if you play, the first flip you pay 10NP and if you get heads you can stop playing and collect your 10 NP back, so the first flip just gets you back to zero! so it's 10, 20, 40, etc.. the answer is 20 wins to get enough money

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  48. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:18

    1 = 10?

    1 = 20 (Y)

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  49. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:20

    0 = 10
    1 = 20
    2 = 40
    .........

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  50. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:20

    Winning the first flip gets you your 10 np back second flip is 20 np.

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  51. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:21

    play double or nothing how much you get for the first flip.....its 10np!

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  52. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:21

    Idont know where people are getting 3.4 mill from. Just checked and it's 3,158,000NP So even with rounding up it's 3.2mill. Regardless the answer is the same i just wanna know where 3.4 mill came from.

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  53. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:22

    It's 20! It says you have 10 np! It costs 10 np to play! Your first win is 10 np! Using the chart that someone else posted it's 20...

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  54. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:25

    I PLAY THE GAME DAILY! ABOUT BILLION TIMES! ANSWER IS 19!!!!11!! FTW!

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  55. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:32

    So can we work on Mystery pic now or....

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  56. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 15:59

    okayy but it doesnt say how many times you have to win the toss in a row. since what are the chances of winning 20 tosses in a row?

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  57. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 16:02

    "How many tosses in "Double or Nothing" must you win"

    All of them! If you lose any you don't get any neopoints. :(

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  58. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 16:12

    If it's a trick question, the answer would be "20 in a row."

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  59. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 16:40

    I mean it is vaguely worded, there are many combinations of flips to win that would eventually yield 3.2 million NP, you could quite every time you won 20NP until you got to your destination. If the wording were more precise, like what is the least amount of times you need to win to get the portable kiln, then it would be obvious that the answer is twenty...since the least number of times if you win all in a row...now it would be interesting if it were how many wins and the probability of getting that many wins with your first try :P

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  60. LennyC Solver6 July 2011 at 17:02

    They always do this. Poor wording choice is like one of their strengths.
    Then again, if it was 100% straight forward, it wouldn't be much of a conundrum.

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  61. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 20:45

    For everyone saying that you win your 10np back the first flip, you are wrong. You win 10np in addition to the 10np you started with. However, only the 10 that you win begin to get doubled. Therefore the answer is still 20.

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  62. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 21:10

    No, I think you are incorrect about getting 10np in addition. If you play once, win and collect your winnings, you end up with the same number of NP on hand. Hence, you spent 10np to play, then you win back your 10np.

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  63. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 21:35

    You pay 10 to play the game... that 10 then has nothing to do with the first flip. so on the first flip u win 10, so on, so on... answer:20

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  64. Anonymous6 July 2011 at 23:35

    The answer is 20, I originally thought 19 but you are doubling you winnings not your total.

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  65. Anonymous7 July 2011 at 13:14

    "If it's heads you double your cash, and you can keep going as many times as you want."

    Says it in Double or Nothing's main page.

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  66. Anonymous7 July 2011 at 20:38

    Did anyone else notice it said "Do you know the answer?!?" instead of the usual?

    Maybe it's a simple yes and TNT is trying to trick you.

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  67. Anonymous10 July 2011 at 16:11

    I've never played double or nothing except today to check, but I think it's 20.

    My math isn't exceptional and it's been a while since i've done this (so don't laugh if I'm wrong, lol) but the equation should be (2^x)(10)=3158000.
    That x would be 18.27, which is about 19. But because in the first throw, you only get back 10np, so that equation only works if you get back 20 the first try.

    Therefore, it's 20
    (I hope)

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  68. Anonymous13 July 2011 at 11:23

    Apparently its 19

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  69. Anonymous13 July 2011 at 12:10

    19 FTW!!!!!!

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  70. Anonymous13 July 2011 at 12:26

    Obviously TNT doesn't know how their own game works! The answer was 20 :( not 19 as they say D:<

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  71. Anonymous13 July 2011 at 12:48

    1 toss 10*2-10=10 NP
    2 tosses 20*2-10=30 NP
    3 tosses 40*2-10=70 NP
    4 tosses 80*2-10=150 NP
    5 tosses 160*2-10=310 NP
    ...
    19 tosses 2621400*2-10=5242870 NP

    So the answer is 19, not 20

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  72. Anonymous13 July 2011 at 12:56

    ^This.

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  73. Anonymous13 July 2011 at 13:04

    except for that's not actually how the game works, the first toss you get back your 10 originally NP to be even, you don't gain any if you win the first toss and quit. If you win 2 tosses and quit, you gain 10NP on top of the 10 you had to start with, so on and so forth, so the answer should be 20.

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  74. Anonymous13 July 2011 at 13:06

    To all you n00bs who said 20, nuffsed. The answer is 19.

    (2^x)(10) = 3158000

    x = 18.3

    But since it has to be a whole number; the next highest number is 19.

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  75. Anonymous13 July 2011 at 13:07

    If you count the first flip, you will get the wrong answer.

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  76. Anonymous13 July 2011 at 13:09

    The first winning is 20 NP, not 10 NP.

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  77. Anonymous13 July 2011 at 13:11

    but why wouldn't you count the first flip? you have to win that to even break even, if you lose the first flip you lose your 10 NP and get nothing!

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  78. Anonymous13 July 2011 at 13:11

    Just play Double or Nothing, you will find the answer.

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  79. Anonymous13 July 2011 at 13:12

    UMADBRO?

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  80. Anonymous13 July 2011 at 13:13

    i have been playing, and wasting NPs on it. when I first click, it takes 10NP away. If I win the first toss, I get 10NP, if I lose, I get nothing and have 0NP. If I stop at winning the first toss, I get the 10NP back. If I continue on, I get 20NP, and if I quite there I get 20NP, but they already took my 10NP, so I did not get 20NP on the first toss.

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  81. Anonymous13 July 2011 at 13:19

    OK, maybe I wrong.
    Just wait for the solution.

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  82. Anonymous13 July 2011 at 13:19

    People Who Answered 20=Didn't Win
    People Who Answered 19=WIN
    So reguardless of these crazy theories, it's over. We need to do Mystery Pic now.

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  83. Anonymous13 July 2011 at 13:26

    I know 19 won, I'm saying Neopets is wrong!

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  84. Me13 July 2011 at 23:27

    Bwahaha, I submitted 19 (I figured it out myself), but looking over my paper, I started it as:
    Toss 1 - 10•2=20
    Toss 2 - 20•2=40
    Toss 3 - 40•2=80
    Toss 4 - 80•2=160
    and so on...
    But if you've ever actually played the game, when you toss the coin for the first time, you either lose, or win 10 np, not 20. So the correct answer should have been 20 tosses.

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